tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post8724401193624722285..comments2023-12-23T03:43:38.964-05:00Comments on LEAVING THE ART OF LIVING: Let me share my painful story with the readers of this blogAoL-Freehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-37103588655395393132010-07-26T04:54:29.342-04:002010-07-26T04:54:29.342-04:00aol has ruined many lifes and families.the guru ha...aol has ruined many lifes and families.the guru has to accept responsibility but he has not.that encourage the teachers and swamis under his umbrella to deceive and cause distress to others.this organisation must be exposed for what it really is doing wrong.do not be afraid of the threats of its goons.instead use your best efforts to save the devotees who have been blinded and deceived.keep this blog and its objectivity going.truth and justice has and will always prevail.false gurus ,false prophets false teachers and scams and cons will always lead good people astray, but there will always be the good sheperds who will lead people back to the fold.I have my own fight with aol which has ruined my life and captured my close ones but whilst he may have them in his clutches i am confident that god is on my side and they will be released especially with the sense i get the tide is indeed turning.keep the faith and fight on. -justice for all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-46115528243949042682010-06-20T02:11:35.157-04:002010-06-20T02:11:35.157-04:00Behind the fraudulent smile conceals the treachery...Behind the fraudulent smile conceals the treachery and many immatured by age and aged by immaturity follow and build the wall of ignorance.... and are glorified themselves with some ' pranayama tricks....' i belong to you and u to me'....poor battallion believe they are very different... bestowed with positive energy etc.. etc.....poor boobs are groping in the darkness......<br />thanks for the realizers ...<br />my laments with those who remain with this pseudo art...<br />brain is given to use .. hope we remain the best users... thanks for this blogger, the ex AOL, for showering light on the darkest and obscure sphere of AOL and the master SR... <br />i recall a proverb: 'some are wise and some are otherwise' ... And we do come up with the second lot most often....saluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13493983524091283869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-55677249982630537522010-03-09T00:00:42.470-05:002010-03-09T00:00:42.470-05:00When I was last involved with AOL, there were plen...When I was last involved with AOL, there were plenty of attractive women who joined. Not surprisingly some subset would have formed connections with charismatic teachers who (surprise) were normal young males and not celibate saints. <br /><br />SSR seems rather clueless about these things and its not surprising given the laissez-faire method of running the organization. Maybe its just too convenient.. Ultimately transparency in matters financial can help.. But in a place like India where there are far bigger crooks, this is (so far) a non-story. <br /><br />To the person who got cheated by his wife: Yes, sure, there are plenty of unhappy married women who join AOL. Too bad she was married to you and all this happened. But taking revenge on AOL seems like tilting at windmills, sort of misplaced and Baba Ramdev et al are hardly paragons of virtue.fair_and_balancednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-70453788419838463712010-03-04T10:45:21.767-05:002010-03-04T10:45:21.767-05:00This is something I had read. I was reading up abo...This is something I had read. I was reading up about Vipassana and i remember this reasoning : -<br /><br />We have to accept that our mind has a habit of attaching to different thoughts and sense objects. a sexual urge is not very different from any other urges. neither is it more powerful. Time and again we have seen that spiritual leaders have fallen afoul of this dangerous emotion. its not their "fault". Its a very natural thing - a part of life. However, the problem lies in accepting it as it is. Most ppl try to deny it, push it out of their minds through sheer will. it sometimes works but its not a solution in itself. sooner or later, it comes back, stronger and more insistent than before, and its just a matter of time before it breaks through the will-barrier and controls the minds. the problem is not with will, its with denial of the fact that its a very natural emotion. we must accept our failings, accept our emotions as they are and not get carried away by them. only then will they become like paper-tigers, readily blown away by the impartial gaze of the sadhak.<br /><br />-- AnandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-6169837019962254692010-03-03T13:24:16.429-05:002010-03-03T13:24:16.429-05:00Though I empathise with your plight, but to call R...Though I empathise with your plight, but to call Ramdev and Avdhoot Baba as 'humble' and having 'knowledge of Vedic scriptures' is a bit too much.<br />I think you are in too much rush to find a Guru. Kindly wisen up after this experience of yours and take it easy. Be your own Guru and use your brains when choosing a Guru. Both Ramdev and Avdhoot Baba have Big egoes and Bigger ambitions. Ramdev has political ambitions and is known to be ruthless to anybody who comes in his way. He even bought the Astha channel in order to block media exposure of other Gurus. Kindly look before you leap or else you will be a bigger sucker than you are now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-81388113251189824462010-03-01T12:57:19.269-05:002010-03-01T12:57:19.269-05:00Sir,
i'm sorry that i can't share anything...Sir,<br />i'm sorry that i can't share anything more than my sympathy with you. But if you can consider this as a friend's advice, it might be of help. Human beings commit mistakes and i think you should forgive your wife and try to rebuild your family. If she is brave enough to admit the truth and come back in your family, it will not only help her personally(as she will face the truth of her life) but will restore back your happiness. But never forgive anyone else for their sins. The End of AOL seems imminent now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-53441103712616925762010-03-01T02:11:28.980-05:002010-03-01T02:11:28.980-05:00It is well known that HHSSRS never took sannyasi v...It is well known that HHSSRS never took sannyasi vowsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-10853570517688747642010-02-24T20:46:10.293-05:002010-02-24T20:46:10.293-05:00@Anon...
Media has other things to report - Surpr...@Anon...<br /><br />Media has other things to report - Surprising as it may seem, AOL is a tiny part of the world, and there is much more that is wrong with the rest of the world.<br /><br /><br />Media has no appetite for complexity - they only go for simplistic storylines. I don't think any newspaper will print this stuff....the treachery is not something a beginner can see - only a person with an advanced intellect, and experience on the spiritual path can see through the deception. You seem to think this is very obvious, but they way they manipulate is very subtle. <br /><br />Many of those posting on this blog are just reactionary people who don't like AOL. That's fine - but this is not what this blog is about. It took Klim and many others years to realize this - it only seems obvious to you after having read this - but truth is more complex than it seems.The Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-32769518654510058352010-02-24T11:05:45.754-05:002010-02-24T11:05:45.754-05:00Why don't you guys go to Media with proof? Ins...Why don't you guys go to Media with proof? Instead of posting stories in blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-34147822609091938912010-02-23T22:10:47.427-05:002010-02-23T22:10:47.427-05:00Thanks for calling out the dead cat buried under t...Thanks for calling out the dead cat buried under the carpet.<br />You are doing the world a great service.<br /> <br />I remember the first class I took - I cringed to see the ugly display put on by the instructor<br />I thought, perhaps it is me who is not right - and am not seeing the way things are supposed to be seen.<br />But, once the sentiments resonated with many of the students, I knew I was right on.<br />AOL is Amway like piece of organization...and we need to call it out as that<br />and guide our misguided friends to the proper path.<br /> <br />Keep on doing the good work.<br />Has AOL threatened you with litigation for creating that blog?<br />It is a matter of time before the world knows the truth about this god forsaken organizationAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06047966759848871621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-9473677240971181482010-02-23T15:31:57.280-05:002010-02-23T15:31:57.280-05:00“Oh God, I am confused... ( because of being cheat...“Oh God, I am confused... ( because of being cheated, perhaps)...”<br /><br />Anonymous, it’s quite natural to be confused. It’s a bit like finding out a dear loved one has been involved in criminal activities for years or has been cheating on you for years. Suddenly you realise they are not what you always believed them to be. Whatever honesty and love you thought you experienced in relation to them, are suddenly shown up as false. It’s quite hard to come to terms with that. <br /><br />Especially with a Master, we really invest so much of ourselves, we project our highest ideals and emotions onto them. When the Master is exposed as false or fallen, it will take time to digest. It’s as if a part of one dies. One will have to find other ways to build within oneself all those soothing, serene and relaxed feelings that you once associated with the Master. It’s not easy, and you can know for sure there will be many other ex-Sri Sri Addicts struggling to recover and make sense of stuff right now. Just know that although his voice may have helped to trigger those feelings in you, the feelings were really yours, not his. <br /><br />And if you were really listening closely to those CDs, you would also have picked up other aspects of his personality – sometimes he is dismissive, insensitive, mocking or derogatory when responding to people, sometimes there is a sting to his statements or an aloof cynicism. The expression of it may be brief, but it is very much there. He is not all pure serenity in those talks.<br /><br />Some people have the ability to project a lot of charisma, charm and sweetness, but that is not the same as love. From the start I felt there was something missing in him. I was searching for a certain depth of love and warmth and it was not there. But he was capable of expressing a lot of sweetness and I fell for that, mistaking it for love. Some sweet people can be very vicious, though.<br /><br />I showed my mother one short video of Ravi and within the first few seconds she said that she can see he could probably be very sweet, but that he’s aloof. She saw through him immediately. It took me longer because I had a weak spot for his kind of charisma. We all have our weak spots. No one can claim complete immunity. Some people may not fall for Ravi, but they may fall for a Gurumaa or an Eckhart Tolle or a Ramdev or an Amma or whoever. It’s a question of getting to know one’s own weak spots and finding a way to strengthen oneself, and that takes time and it’s all but easy.Art of Leavinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771406007192517830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-33020685934177601692010-02-22T17:42:39.121-05:002010-02-22T17:42:39.121-05:00@Anon 8:57
Don't be stupid. If there had bee...@Anon 8:57 <br /><br />Don't be stupid. If there had been a video - it would already be out on indiatv. <br /><br />How about asking AOL for proof of how the money is spent. It is a black hole - no transparency and accountability in accounts. There is no public audit of such a large and prosperous organization.<br /><br />Anyone who has been part of AOL will tell you there is something fishy going on. A lot of money is made, but seems to disappear into thin air.<br /><br />Of course there is the other end - His nephew and family's extravagant lifestyle. That is just the tip of the iceberg - who knows how much money they have stashed in private bank accounts!Peaceful Warriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-72550265857364984582010-02-22T13:36:34.943-05:002010-02-22T13:36:34.943-05:00@Anon 8:23
Even Bernie Madoff, and Charles Ponzi ...@Anon 8:23<br /><br />Even Bernie Madoff, and Charles Ponzi made lot of money and prospered. AOL is very much like that - they realize that perception is reality, and are very good at image management.<br /><br />However, there is no accountability. All that money is flowing into the bank accounts of RS and family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-37669387892433631622010-02-22T13:33:21.589-05:002010-02-22T13:33:21.589-05:00@Anon 8:23
It is a media created phenomenon. AOL...@Anon 8:23<br /><br />It is a media created phenomenon. AOL is great at PR. If you have done any seva as part of AOL, you will know how numbers are made up and how these awards and articles are published.<br /><br />AOL indeed does some good service work - but it is lot less than what you might imagine. A lot of money is raised by AOL in the name of this token work - nobody knows where it ends up.Peaceful Warriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-8949195434747212702010-02-22T12:34:37.739-05:002010-02-22T12:34:37.739-05:00"..today also there is an article on SSRS in ..."..today also there is an article on SSRS in TOI."<br /><br />Times of India (TOI) chairman, Indu Jain, is an ardent devotee of SSRS. So AOL gets quite a good, positive media coverage through TOI. Now-a-days most of the media is biased towards one or other, and objectivity and fairness is at question. Knowing this we need to interpret what media presents to us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-33746235980406763392010-02-22T10:23:58.051-05:002010-02-22T10:23:58.051-05:00Dear Anon
"When I see my US friend spending ...Dear Anon<br /><br />"When I see my US friend spending as much as $12 for 1 Beer bottle in a bar, why not the money of that sort can be channelled to good causes;"<br /><br />You mean good causes like AOl land encroachment in bangalore, Bhanu didi's purse, ajay beta's cars, Ravi Ravi's business class and 8 star hotel travel and stays and also seed capital for sumeru real estate. Wonderful causes indeed.Vishalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-17374147239907458742010-02-22T10:14:35.272-05:002010-02-22T10:14:35.272-05:00Looks like the TOI is bearing witness of Ravi Ravi...Looks like the TOI is bearing witness of Ravi Ravi's spirituality. <br />It was TOI's owner Indu Jain who promoted gurus like Ravi Ravi, Kracki Baghwan, Jaggi Vasudev, sukhabodananda etc and brought them into public prominence. They would never let them down as they also have their business venture Times Music which markets the bhajan CDs of these gurus including Ravi Ravi and his sister.Vishalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-32217484794513320752010-02-22T09:00:40.008-05:002010-02-22T09:00:40.008-05:00I am waiting for the next revelation. Can't wa...I am waiting for the next revelation. Can't wait for too long. Please come up with the next 'experiential reality'. I recollect from one of the SSRS CD's where he says that as an 'Experiential Reality', why is that we don't know we are God? <br /><br />I was so much addicted to his voice in such CD's. They were so soothing, so serene and so relaxed. Even now If I hear such CD's I might feel that they are really good. <br /><br />Oh God, I am confused... ( because of being cheated, perhaps)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-49329583042656991662010-02-22T08:57:59.998-05:002010-02-22T08:57:59.998-05:00I appreciate your reply. Can we get some proof (so...I appreciate your reply. Can we get some proof (some video) etc. on any such misdeeds? That would bring in more agression. In fact, I was going thro' another site on Nithyananda, where a video is put up where shoes and brooms are thrown on the 'God Man'...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-84432948010217635872010-02-22T08:52:24.013-05:002010-02-22T08:52:24.013-05:00Dear Anon, ask yourself the same question about th...Dear Anon, ask yourself the same question about the world, look at history itself. Mostly "bad" has ruled and prevailed through manipulation, deceit, fraud. An article, a prize, a statement by the AoL does not impress me anymore. It is all people handled by pulling strings, making up facts and numbers. It is about being big not about being good. And being big in the name of spirituality does not mean necessarily mean one is good. This is the disappointment and demand of many, who once like you, were also innocent, idealistic seekers.AoL-Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-21568378742518286042010-02-22T08:23:05.062-05:002010-02-22T08:23:05.062-05:00While the debates are going on about AOL, today al...While the debates are going on about AOL, today also there is an article on SSRS in TOI. It is an article about SSRS and it is totally opposite to the incidents and stores of this blog.<br /><br />If SSRS / AOL are really bad, how they are able to prosper and how people are reposing faith in it? I am sure if SSRS is bad, by now it would have come to light......<br /><br />These questions keep crossing my mind whenever I see some post in this blog... Perhaps time has to answer my questions...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-52090388558928390122010-02-21T20:37:48.817-05:002010-02-21T20:37:48.817-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.AoL-Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-20774807365274024282010-02-21T20:11:45.346-05:002010-02-21T20:11:45.346-05:00If one feels pressured by AoL to take up corses or...If one feels pressured by AoL to take up corses or do seva is because somewhere one believes its necessary. As Mr. Jivani said here he is capable of resisting AoL peobably because he is comfortable wit his own spirituality. Lets face this we have lost touch with our own spiritual side so we feel vulnerable to spiritual organizations!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-51489809037935219732010-02-21T13:26:56.231-05:002010-02-21T13:26:56.231-05:00Yo,
I have known and following the organization fo...Yo,<br />I have known and following the organization for close to 7 years. AOL has a small% cross section of the people, so here and their there will be few troubled folks. To my knowledge major% is normal middle class people who wants to do well in their life and take this couse to aid with the modern day stresses. This is not a OSHO kind of organization with rich guys, here ?I have met lot of people genuine, service oriented and common people; <br /><br />In Hindu order of sanyasis typically the people are given brahmachary diksha by their gurur and it lasts for 5 to 10 years before both the individual and guru feels being ready for becoming a swamiji; Thats my understanding as well that of AOL swamis and still to meet a swami who is not genuine. <br /><br />Married folks has been made Rishi;<br /><br />The author here who has encountered the issue with family is he genuine(Or is this a story of hatred put here with some other! motives) and can come out in real to atleast state the information so things can be validated. Especially if the things really happened even to the level of divorce and in the past why can't the information be shared. I have seen anti saibaba videos who can even chalenge the top guru in business, if thats the case Rishi should hardly be an issue if the story is real!<br /><br />There are things I also dont like in AOL - Heavy pressure tactics to get people in to course after course. But then if you look from AOL side this is the source of revenue to support the other activities; When I see my US friend spending as much as $12 for 1 Beer bottle in a bar, why not the money of that sort can be channelled to good causes; On the similar line most of the middle class friends including me we understand the marketing side of it and use our god given thinking mind to decide when to go the course and which courses to go; <br /><br />Since scope if AOL let me not quote other religious or spiritual organizations run by hindus, christians or muslims and dont be surprised the patterns blamed at AOL is not different from those as well because normal people in the world are the people in these organizations who wants to help themselves and help others;<br /><br />I like this blog providing an avenue for people to come out and discuss AOL in this fashion, but please... for the sake of genuinity only share real things and facts and not cooked stories;<br /><br />Let me call myself a TRUMAN until I see some real verifiable facts and exposures of AOL to reveal my identity;<br />TRUMANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-15358730542594797272010-02-21T11:24:16.009-05:002010-02-21T11:24:16.009-05:00Aol 9:33 AM
"one point agenda is to recruit m...Aol 9:33 AM<br />"one point agenda is to recruit more and more. rest everything is offshoot of this. and see how cleverly they say AOL never forces anyone...."<br /><br />When I dropped out of AoL, I was honest with them and told them briefly that I thought there was something not quite right about AoL and RS. It's been two months and I've already gotten 2 more invitations to join. This last one was a friendly one something like 'come have some fun with us. hope to see you tonight. we've noticed you haven't been around'. In response, I told them I was busy. <br /><br />If they invite me again, I've composed a letter which outlines more clearly what I see as some of the problems. But the letter does not attack them or their Guru. <br /><br />I don't think it's necessary to keep inviting people. People are perfectly capable of taking care of their own spirituality. The only reason to continue to invite someone to a spiritual movement is to "save" them or make money.jivaninoreply@blogger.com