tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post5506733607037285640..comments2023-12-23T03:43:38.964-05:00Comments on LEAVING THE ART OF LIVING: Hi from another ex-AOL TeacherAoL-Freehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-55539333223127045842010-04-16T16:27:36.691-04:002010-04-16T16:27:36.691-04:00Anon said: "I've taken the basic course a...Anon said: "I've taken the basic course and several advanced courses. Not interested in taking DSN and shilling on the street for AOL."<br /><br />That's the point. You are trying to maintain the image of SSRS as divine in your head. <br />Yes he is an advanced yogi...when you meet him initially, something opens up inside you. That was my experience too. <br />But later I came to realize that he is a manipulative person, who has abused many people causing irreparable harm. One can not ends to justify means, but like his mentor, he does so all the time.<br /><br />You may be okay with this kind of hanky panky in the name of spirituality, because you don't know better. (incidently this is how most abuse victims justify things) MMY and RS are definitely from the same ilk. <br /><br />My suggestion: be a part of a more authentic spiritual community, where such things are not tolerated. Otherwise you may end up doing the same things, and justify them saying great gurus also did so.The Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-78810669986564584312010-04-14T12:56:47.440-04:002010-04-14T12:56:47.440-04:00Answer to SS worshipper.
“I have discovered this ...Answer to SS worshipper.<br /><br />“I have discovered this in my 40 plus year relationship with MMY and my overlapping 20 year relationship with SSRS.”<br /><br />It may mean that you are so closed, being brain-washed for such a long period of time, that there is no hope for you to understand anything that doesn’t fit into the limited and rigid frame of your concepts, but I will try to answer your question, anyway, once you asked about it, and so that you do not feel “dismissed”.<br /><br />“How am I immature? I assure my intellect is quite intact and quite discriminating”<br /><br />Spiritually mature people do not divide the world into “Divine Incarnations” vs. “Common Incarnations?” They know that there is only one Consciousness, one Being and we are ALL a part of it. This is all wonderfully explained in Vasistha’s Yoga (by the way, recommended by your guru). So, there is no difference between him, you, me and a tree. We are all Divine. In fact, you can learn much more from a tree, than from a guru, if you have eyes to see. Realize it now, and you will not need any gurus. From the same unique work of Indian philosophy you can find out that this realization may be of two kinds: one is based on contemplation (requires developed intellect and ability to discriminate) and the other one is based in direct realization (by the way, these are also means to abandon the ego-sense, you brood so much about). Since you are still holding so tight to the outer object (in your case RS) and attributing some special divine qualities to it, rather then bowing to your Self, this realization didn’t happen to you, that’s why the word ‘immature”. <br />I would recommend you to read “Vasistha’s Yoga, if you haven’t read it yet, or read it again if you have. There is still hope.<br />Wish you Peace.Svetananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-3441874237439021732010-04-14T03:18:44.720-04:002010-04-14T03:18:44.720-04:00All worshippers of Ravishankars or Puttaparthi Bab...All worshippers of Ravishankars or Puttaparthi Babas etc ,<br /><br />Please do carry on as you find everything above board there. <br /><br />You people have absolutely no business visting this blog & arguing asking for "proof".<br /><br />That you footsoldiers visit , reading our opinions betrays your own doubts & insecurities . <br /><br />A lot of " proof " not imagined but first hand reports were published by certain whistleblowers in Guruphiliac. No point in repeating . <br /><br />Why should you people bother at all ? If your chosen gurus are so uber good , your time & energies would be better spent in continued worshippings , jaigurudev screamings than engaging us in wordy duel.<br /><br />I see no diffrence at all between you frenzied followers and zealous proselytizers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-17289085392726816762010-04-13T21:14:02.064-04:002010-04-13T21:14:02.064-04:00@Anon 5:03 PM
Looks like somebody drank the Kool ...@Anon 5:03 PM<br /><br />Looks like somebody drank the Kool aid!<br /><br />Stop with the self-blame...your mind is impure and creates problems, but RS and his ilk are incapable of mistake.<br /><br />Wake up and see - you are as much divine as they are. <br /><br />Believe me, not everyone here is a novice, blindly criticizing RS We've all been on the path for many years - had our spiritual highs, lived the knowledge for many years. This is not shallow or blind criticism. <br /><br />Respect and reverence is one thing, agreeing to justify wrongs by blaming your intellect/ego is a completely different thing altogether. <br /><br />There was a time when you saw things as they are. Then you learnt to see everything through the lens of "knowledge". You've been on the path for 60 years!. It's about time, you let go of your knowledge, and see things as they truly are.<br /><br />On a side note - none of us is looking for a "perfect organization" - we are just searching for the truth, if at all. Not looking to become a follower of anyone.<br /><br />This blog is not out of malice, or anger - but a warning to innocent people, who become duped by spiritual con-men, and become zombies. Talk to people in AOL - they are all carbon copies of each other....and talk the same "knowledge points". How is that self realization or actualization.Peaceful Warriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-75178331656780174632010-04-13T17:03:26.714-04:002010-04-13T17:03:26.714-04:00Peaceful Warrior said,"But if it is done in t...Peaceful Warrior said,"But if it is done in the name of spirituality, and by someone who is claiming to be a saint - we "don't see bad in him".<br /><br />Come on!...these are not faults of personality - these are serious issues - and don't you think a man of spirituality must have exemplary character. In fact, he is to be held to a higher standard.<br /><br />All we are doing is calling his bullshit."<br /><br />You are not understanding my position. Interacting with a sat guru, like SSRS, is a very complex business for one's ego. I have discovered this in my 40 plus year relationship with MMY and my overlapping 20 year relationship with SSRS. I'm not telling you not to call the AOL or SSRS on their "bullshit" Of course there is bullshit going on! There is also Divinity going on too. That is the incredible paradox. If you are looking for a "perfect" guru or a "perfect" organization you won't find it. <br /><br />As far as, "we don't see bad in him", that is not my mood-making perspective. This too is a spiritually immature as trashing SSRS and AOL. Again, it is a paradox to experience the overwhelming holy darshan of profoundly Realized beings like MMY and SSRS and then to also know, from the level of the personality, they can act in a manner which we might find to be unethical or maybe even immoral. This is our task to work through these things. Most of the posters on this blog are not doing this. They are simply trashing everything AOL and SSRS and not learning anything from their experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-863381496442130382010-04-13T16:47:54.073-04:002010-04-13T16:47:54.073-04:00Klim and Co said,"My parents are far from bei...Klim and Co said,"My parents are far from being perfect but mine at least don't consent fraudulent acts, lying, cheating, rape, and abuses in any form."<br /><br />This is the sort of hyperbole that is ridiculous. So, are you actually saying that people in the AOL or SSRS himself rapes people? How can you expect to have a serious discussion with anybody regardless of their position on SSRS and the AOL when you make such absurd assertions. Proof? Please, be serious. I want to talk about these things, but not have a conversation on the level of baseless assertions!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-73830798144672128932010-04-13T16:41:49.535-04:002010-04-13T16:41:49.535-04:00Svetana said,"When I read messages of SSR wor...Svetana said,"When I read messages of SSR worshipers, they strike me, as very similar, immature and lacking common logic. May be, having spent so much time in the company of "Divine incarnation", they dropped their egos. But where is their intellect? Probably, dropped it together with ego. Anyway, they continue teaching you how to discriminate. Isn't that funny!"<br /><br />Really. How am I lacking in common logic? Be specific, please. How am I immature? I assure my intellect is quite intact and quite discriminating. You are over-simplifying my responses and painting me as all bad because then you can dismiss me. You are making the same mistake with me as you are with SSRS. If you have problems with AOL and SSRS, fine, move on. But to villainize me misses the entire point I'm trying to make to the readers of this blog. I'm not denying anyone's experience with AOL or SSRS, so don't deny mine. I include your bad experiences with my good experiences with SSRS. To see SSRS as all bad is a spiritually immature mistake. Let's talk about it without ad hominem attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-84175630356843077892010-04-13T16:31:12.088-04:002010-04-13T16:31:12.088-04:00Anon asked me,"What proof do you have that he...Anon asked me,"What proof do you have that he is divine incarnation. How did you realize that?"<br /><br />Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? There is no proof of this outside of ones own experience. I can only talk about my own experience with SSRS. I can't talk about yours. If you can't experience the divinity of your guru, then perhaps he is not your guru! Just because I experience SSRS as the Divine, doesn't mean I stop using my intellect. I'm sure I would have more of a problem with AOL or perhaps even SSRS if I was more involved with the AOL. I've taken the basic course and several advanced courses. Not interested in taking DSN and shilling on the street for AOL. But maybe this is my limitation, my problem, I don't know.<br /> A true spiritual path can be difficult. Your limited notions are always being smashed. We want Realization on the ego's terms. Quite ridiculous. My point of posting here is to stop this over-simplified, immature casting of AOL and SSRS as some sort of rakshasa(demon). SSRS is a holy man doing wonderful things. People have conflicts with him and AOL. So what? Mature your spirituality. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-55119524951225008552010-04-13T13:02:19.607-04:002010-04-13T13:02:19.607-04:00To message of Anon @ 12.52pm
When I read messages...To message of Anon @ 12.52pm<br /><br />When I read messages of SSR worshipers, they strike me, as very similar, immature and lacking common logic. May be, having spent so much time in the company of "Divine incarnation", they dropped their egos. But where is their intellect? Probably, dropped it together with ego. Anyway, they continue teaching you how to discriminate. Isn't that funny!Svetananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-2507184231684255852010-04-13T09:28:46.795-04:002010-04-13T09:28:46.795-04:00It's good Anon 12:52 wrote in. Anyone in doub...It's good Anon 12:52 wrote in. Anyone in doubt of the faults of AoL would certainly read that and question the org. and the guru. I'm only surprised there weren't smiley faces placed strategically throughout the rampage.jivaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-19747599777408220612010-04-12T20:25:49.301-04:002010-04-12T20:25:49.301-04:00@Anon 12:52 pm
You are joking right ? It's ac...@Anon 12:52 pm<br /><br />You are joking right ? It's actually very funny :).<br /><br />If not - use some common sense. If a regular person does money laundering, and dupes people by taking money in name of charity - we would call him a fraud, and a cheat. But if it is done in the name of spirituality, and by someone who is claiming to be a saint - we "don't see bad in him".<br /><br />Come on!...these are not faults of personality - these are serious issues - and don't you think a man of spirituality must have exemplary character. In fact, he is to be held to a higher standard.<br /><br />All we are doing is calling his bullshit. He is not who he claims to be, he does not walk the talk.Peaceful Warriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-73325911700693482372010-04-12T17:33:00.450-04:002010-04-12T17:33:00.450-04:00Anon @ April 12, 2010 12:52 PM
My parents are far ...Anon @ April 12, 2010 12:52 PM<br />My parents are far from being perfect but mine at least don't consent fraudulent acts, lying, cheating, rape, and abuses in any form. Neither do they insist they are the best, in fact, they always humbly recognize they make mistakes. Of course, there are all sorts of parents out there, but those who do anything close anything against the law are hopefully processed by law enforcement and "the grace of God". In a spiritual path, one would expect at least a figure that is closer to a better parent rather than the contrary. It is not about looking for perfection in your parental figure but it is about looking for coherence and "walk the talk". It makes me wonder what parenting you propose for your own children or those of others ...AoL-Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-77287885421984116902010-04-12T16:46:05.638-04:002010-04-12T16:46:05.638-04:00To the anon poster who said Ravi Shankar is divine...To the anon poster who said Ravi Shankar is divine incarnation-<br /><br />What proof do you have that he is divine incarnation. How did you realize that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-58540399226381179852010-04-12T12:52:27.109-04:002010-04-12T12:52:27.109-04:00Don't you all realize that SSRS is a Divine in...Don't you all realize that SSRS is a Divine incarnation? You have an ego ideal that he is disappointing and thus you complain about him. Come out of your childhood. Take advantage of the darshan and techniques of this God-Realized being. I'm not denying that you have had some bad experiences, but look at them carefully and you will see you are relating to him as a child, not as an adult. You want a lollipop to soothe your spiritual tummy ache. The Guru functions as Shiva and strips you of your absurd, ignorant notions that hold you in bondage. This can be a rough ride for an immature ego. To obsessively complain about someone is ridiculous. Discriminate; separate the good from the bad. If you need to move-on in your spiritual path, fine, move-on. To label any guru as all bad or all good are simply ignorant, immature notions you have in your mind. These are the points or hooks of your bondage. Do you want a guru to liberate you or make your ego feel good? You can't always do both which is unfortunate from the ego's perspective! If you have gained nothing from your involvement with SSRS you have learned nothing and will make the same immature mistake with another guru. You are seeking a perfect daddy or mommy and there isn't one out there for you so you rage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-44512016863220961822010-04-12T01:46:35.093-04:002010-04-12T01:46:35.093-04:00Anon @5:42 PM ,
Thank you very much for the link....Anon @5:42 PM ,<br /><br />Thank you very much for the link.<br /><br />It is refreshing to know at least some NORMAL people are out there among this madding crowd.<br /><br />It is not " faith ". It is <br />"conscientious stupidity & sincere ignorance ".<br /><br />Appalling is the fact our Vedas discuss God , Creation & allied matters in such an extensive & exhaustive manner leaving absolutely no room for such idiocy to flourish.<br /><br />By default celebs like filmstars , cricketers , so called well read judges , scientists like Abdul Kalam & of course the ever pompous IITians , seemingly powerful blustering chief ministers the entire lot have LIBERATED me :))<br /><br />We insist man is the most evolved branding birds " bird brained " yadayada. I have serious doubts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-75712809228408967892010-04-11T17:42:57.017-04:002010-04-11T17:42:57.017-04:00thought of sharing this article, as it has a first...thought of sharing this article, as it has a first hand observation of ssrs, by a journalist, an unbiased version I think, you can find it in the end of the article.<br /><br />http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/voices/the-decency-of-the-atheistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-49595710817735202412010-04-11T07:06:56.460-04:002010-04-11T07:06:56.460-04:00Just saw ann advertisement on Zoo-Zoo cartoon, whe...Just saw ann advertisement on Zoo-Zoo cartoon, where the advertisement is <b> Stay Calm. Subscribe Art of living alerts at Rupees 30 a month.</b>. <br />What an innovation to make money? I think AOL is surely having great marketing gurus. Otherwise they couldn't think of such innovation in making money?laxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-9160854622522917252010-04-11T02:38:50.000-04:002010-04-11T02:38:50.000-04:00Long time back I was coerced by my friend to come ...Long time back I was coerced by my friend to come & have a "darshan" of Mata Amritanandamayi. She had not become this popular then. Just a fledgeling organization.<br /><br />Thank God , I listened to my instincts & walked away. People were behaving incredibly crazy. Screaming " Mata would slip into superconscious state during midnight...go into Devi Bhav...only the chosen fortunate will be hugged by her...all wishes fulfilled...blahblah.."<br /><br />That nobody found it odd & that there was a sickening stampede is puzzling for me even today. <br /><br />There is but ONE CONSCIOUSNESS. <br />There is nothing called super/supra/ultra/uber consciousness.<br /><br />All their charities & donations business fail to awe me. She also charges hefty capitation fees for a seat in colleges run by her.All enjoy tax exempt status calling themselves non profit NGOs.<br /><br />There is another extremely popular soothsayer in Chennai who many consider Goddess Incarnate. Running schools & colleges. <br /><br />I was shocked when one of the colleges run by him told me " for a fee of a certain amount of lakhs , here & now we can give you a certificate that you are a qualified graduate. No need to attend college at all..."<br /><br />Eloquent testimony of the credentials of these " holy people". <br /><br />Is it any wonder bridges , houses approved by "qualified engineers" collapse? People perish owing to spurious medicines ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-91236863402774958952010-04-11T02:13:46.476-04:002010-04-11T02:13:46.476-04:00Do watch the hindi movie 'Pratha' starring...Do watch the hindi movie 'Pratha' starring Irfan Khan etc.<br /><br />Gives a clear picture of how these faux godmen establish their mighty empires WITH the connivance of police , lawyers , politicians & the apathetic masses around.<br /><br />" Where Ignorance is Bliss , It Is Folly To Be Wise ".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-16682422545825159462010-04-11T02:08:40.226-04:002010-04-11T02:08:40.226-04:00Many flock to such cult gurus claiming they had th...Many flock to such cult gurus claiming they had their diseases cured or got " healed ". So what??<br />A completely healthy body is also subject to death & decay.<br /><br />I have had certain ailments cured by my doctor. That did not make me frame his photo followed by worshipping.<br /><br />Read the following please :-<br /><br />" Yogi Ramaiah told Ramana Bhagavan:-<br /><br />" While travelling I saw a public performance by a magician...who was materialising a lot of things for the crowd.....was stunned & amazed how he could accomplish such feats.<br /><br />When the show was over , the magician went about asking for donations from each of us extending a rusty container. I asked him " you have the ability to produce whatever you want at the mere wave of a hand including food..so why beg for money from us..why not fulfil your need with your magic ?"<br /><br />The magician told his sad story how he did penance to win the favour of a Spirit that could perform whatever he desired. His wish was granted but with a stiff condition he could never materialise anything for himself or his family.<br /><br />Ramaiah asked why he should agree to such terms wasting his life as a beggar when he could get no real benefit from his magic.<br /><br />He said the Spirit had made it clear to him that the karma of his penance being inexorable , he would reap its fruits; if he opted out he would get killed instantly by the Spirit.Hence was destined to beg for the rest of his life.<br /><br />Ramana Bhagavan remarked:-<br /><br />" The fate of all who run after miraculous powers/siddhis is the same as that of this poor man".<br /><br />So the good old counsel 'be careful of what you wish for' is never to be forgotten.<br /><br />Let us not forget all the asuras performed mighty tapas only to ask for such megalomaniacal powers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-1888452874221747152010-04-10T19:44:30.496-04:002010-04-10T19:44:30.496-04:00Anon 10:36,
You think you've internalized all...Anon 10:36,<br /><br />You think you've internalized all the scriptures, but in reality if youhave really done it, you wouldn't be writing here or even critical of SSRS or Baba or whoever. Because in Advaita Vedanta, there is no other, all is one. So you are SSRS, Baba, Sankara, etc. There is no other. If I have really internalized all the scriptures you quote, if I were you, I won't even be talking about it or boasting about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-11100570361143098082010-04-10T15:19:53.474-04:002010-04-10T15:19:53.474-04:00Cults are basically products of society's inad...Cults are basically products of society's inadequacy and people's insecurity, low self esteem,lack of integrity, accountability and responsibility.<br /> Low family and moral values may contribute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-54538612786580670662010-04-10T15:10:38.900-04:002010-04-10T15:10:38.900-04:00The insecure are made to feel secure by fellow mor...The insecure are made to feel secure by fellow more insecure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-74983909789774553242010-04-10T15:04:49.553-04:002010-04-10T15:04:49.553-04:00KLIM if you think appropriate please post this as ...KLIM if you think appropriate please post this as separate entity and invite comments.<br /><br />From SSRS to all teachers in AOL, all are universally INSECURE.<br />SECURE always believes in ideology.INSECURE believes in numbers. SECURE believes in silence INSECURE believes in propaganda.SECURE believes life's day to day happenings are your greatest teacher, INSECURE believes you need a bearded guru to teach lessens of life.SECURE face and conquer the realities, INSECURE escape the realities.SECURED are "deep" INSECURE are "shallow" pretending to be deepest.SECURED find happiness in their own job and field, INSECURE look for other ways of happiness. SECURE believes in integrity and responsibility to family, society and the nation where as INSECURE is ultimately disintegrated, and owes responsibility to only his security provider.SECURE believe that with his learned knowledge and skills he can better serve the society, INSECURE does not believe in his own skill and allows himself to be used for non scientific beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-64270868465063792852010-04-10T14:24:52.847-04:002010-04-10T14:24:52.847-04:00whenever i seee Aols artificial imposed ever smili...whenever i seee Aols artificial imposed ever smiling face it remind me of famous jagjit singh's ghazal- "TUM ITNA KYON MUSKURA RAHE HO, KYA GAM HAI JISKO CHUPA RAHE HO"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com