tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post4337498358341647294..comments2023-12-23T03:43:38.964-05:00Comments on LEAVING THE ART OF LIVING: “Enlightsitive” = enlightened + sensitiveAoL-Freehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-33195434765978519182010-02-19T16:39:05.860-05:002010-02-19T16:39:05.860-05:00AOL teachers are such drama queens!!!. Acting in ...AOL teachers are such drama queens!!!. Acting in such a childish (not childlike) manner. It sounds like a page right out of lord of the flies. Is a little bit maturity too much to expect ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-16548920133134445692010-01-21T10:39:00.022-05:002010-01-21T10:39:00.022-05:00I completely agree with Panduranga that “stereotyp...I completely agree with Panduranga that “stereotyping a billion odd people as lacking in values and ethics is stretching too much”. But it is equally stretching it too much to say that “Indians are spiritual and destined to be the guru country of the world”. I no longer think that India (or any other area of the world) has all the spiritual solutions for the world ready-made.<br /><br />After I returned devastated from my RS adventure, I went to see a Taiwanese Master who had known me for a few years. I wanted his advice because I was unable to make sense of what happened between RS and me, and was still crying and sleeping most of the time, and it’s been going like this for eight months and not getting better.<br /><br />He said to me: “Why you want Guru?! - More delusion! You think Guru has a secret. There is no secret. Master just hints you. Then it gets brighter and brighter, until Your Bright! Otherwise Master also speaks from his experiences. Can you study another universe to understand this universe? No, you cannot. You have to study this universe to understand this universe. Can you take a system from 200 years ago and use it today? No. But you can use it as yeast (stomach).” (i.e. as a catalyst to come to your own knowledge). He said, “Wake up quickly! Become a Master!”<br /><br />Well, I haven’t woken up yet, nor become a master, but since then I no longer take any system of knowledge or scriptures – whether from India or elsewhere – too seriously. And I am no longer upset if I disagree with any Master’s views (including the views of the Master who gave me this advice). I always wondered whether a Master’s knowledge is relative to her/his experience like everyone else’s, or if it can lay claim to being at a higher level or more absolute in some sense. This Taiwanese Master helped me get clear on the relativity of ALL knowledge, including those attained in so-called higher states of consciousness. He was too much of an austere jnani to be able to help me heal my broken heart, but he effectively helped me claim back my intellectual independence.Art of Leavinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771406007192517830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-33172697550085951782010-01-21T09:50:25.672-05:002010-01-21T09:50:25.672-05:00To Panduranga & Anonymous
All countries/cultu...To Panduranga & Anonymous<br /><br />All countries/cultures have their positive and negative aspects. It’s good if problems are pointed out and debated, but it becomes harmful when one stereotypes the entire population. It is just as dangerous to eulogise a particular culture (or an aspect of it) too much – whether Indian or American, “East” or “West”.<br /><br />I know I have not had wide exposure to everyday life in the cities and rural areas of India. But from the little that I saw it seemed to me that many people work very hard in India. Often it is terribly long hours under difficult conditions, with little pay. This applies not only to those doing physical labour; but also those with reasonably good office jobs in IT and publications. When I saw how some people are at their posts from before sunrise to after sunset all week long, I wondered how on earth the stereotype arose that Indians are “laid-back” or “lazy”. It just didn’t seem to be borne out by reality. The few professional people I had to deal with were efficient and accurate in their work, so there goes the “Indians are inefficient” stereotype. <br /><br />A few times I was taken advantage of and overcharged by opportunists, but more often than not people were honest and fair. Sometimes bystanders even pointed out to me I am being cheated or tried to protect me from forms of exploitation. Overall people were friendly and offered help of their own accord, especially when I travelled by public transport. E.g. when I travelled third class by train in those horribly overcrowded compartments all the way from Mumbai to Bangalore people looked after my stuff and kept a seat open for me whenever I went to the loo, they told me what station I needed to get off at and helped me find transport at a reasonable price.<br /><br />Despite all the turmoil I went through in India with RS and company, I fell in love with India the five months I was there. It was like a kind of death when I had to leave. I would still like to return.Art of Leavinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771406007192517830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-65020842756058215172010-01-20T07:56:58.496-05:002010-01-20T07:56:58.496-05:00panduranga ,
Spare me your presumptuous self anoi...panduranga ,<br /><br />Spare me your presumptuous self anointing please.<br /><br />If you are so convinced of indians' spiritual quotient you would not be pounding anaemic defensive replies. With the plaintively cliched " let this blog not..." entreaties.<br /><br />Truth hurts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-4799014237453092402010-01-20T05:37:10.051-05:002010-01-20T05:37:10.051-05:00To Anonymous
"All indian politicians are sa...To Anonymous <br /><br />"All indian politicians are same same."<br />"India's moral quotient is negative."<br />"No. I prefer FBI."<br /><br />Please spare the sermons on the integrity of FBI to american conservaties. <br /><br />I hope this blog does not reduce into some india bashing blog. India / Indians have several problems /Idiosychrasies. Not that other nationalities are exempt from these. Also, stereotying a billion odd people as lacking in values and ethics is stretching too much. <br /><br />You are similar to AOL who also use strong sterotypes in their propoganda. Indians are spiritual and destined to be the guru country of the world, rishi bhumi and so on.Panduranganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-51834271181520244652010-01-19T10:30:15.440-05:002010-01-19T10:30:15.440-05:00" the entire AOL assets would be confiscated ..." the entire AOL assets would be confiscated by CBI ".<br /><br />No. I prefer FBI.<br /><br />Seriously as CBI I am sure would have many ssrs followers. Puttaparthi is still a fugitive from Justice because of protection from many law enforcers , politicians , police force etc. <br /><br />India's moral quotient is negative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-52935244826651443562010-01-18T10:42:35.500-05:002010-01-18T10:42:35.500-05:00AOl => Arrogance of Living.
Yes, after I did m...AOl => Arrogance of Living.<br /><br />Yes, after I did my basic course and after a few months, I wanted to participate in it again, as it is supposed to be free. I got sms from Lata (AOL Teacher) about the start of the course. When I called her, she said 'Why you want to do it again?.Spread the word and bring new comers.' Such was the arrogance and worst attitude that I feel sick of AOL. I am waiting for the day when SSRS would be behind bars, and the entire AOL assets would be confiscated by CBI.Akshannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-13634269897460798472010-01-15T14:45:04.845-05:002010-01-15T14:45:04.845-05:00Klim & Others ,
Know what , I feel so happy &...Klim & Others ,<br /><br />Know what , I feel so happy & tranquil at last I don't celebrate any festivals . I don't feel guilty either.<br /><br />The immensely popular parable of the Missing Tenth Man told by Ramana Bhagavan , we the guileless can now rejoice !<br /><br />I had posted in Jody's blog earlier the following fact told by another person. That ssrs & his father are very much responsible for Indian Bank ex-chairman imprisoned for alleged financial embezzlements.<br /><br />Also many indians know in the seventies the near bankruptcy was tided over by the country by pledging lot of gold from puttaparthi baba. How did he get so much gold & from where ?? <br /><br />You dare not ask these questions .This is vandematatammerabharathmahaanindia. Period. India has perfected the art of blaming everything on AmericaBritainPakistanChina. LOL..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-77245936663312883242010-01-15T14:41:51.871-05:002010-01-15T14:41:51.871-05:00Klim, he may not manifest money for Haiti, but he ...Klim, he may not manifest money for Haiti, but he can always claim that he is taking care of things on a higher level somehow. A puja or two, a meditation and just watch how Haiti is transformed in no time.zhorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224133912427642301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-11787649342738440402010-01-15T14:38:29.943-05:002010-01-15T14:38:29.943-05:00We actually believed in that kind of pathetic magi...We actually believed in that kind of pathetic magic-thinking stories! While I read about the $300-$400 dollars missing story, I kept remembering all the times I even believed those stories. He would tell them in heroism, and we'd back them up with "ah!" like stupid, brain-less airheads. Funny, today when I read it, I thought, "I wonder what Bharat had in his head. Maybe he is not as smart after all." This hyperventilation does kill brain cells! What was this story fabricated for? To convince us he is something special because he can manifest money? He then criticizes Sai Baba all the time for solely feeding the faith of his devotees in miracles. Why doesn't he manifest some money now for Haiti? Or can he manifest only a couple hundreds per day?AoL-Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-36066752629652540012010-01-15T14:31:15.596-05:002010-01-15T14:31:15.596-05:00Anon @ 10:00 a.m.
I am not sure which part of thi...Anon @ 10:00 a.m.<br /><br />I am not sure which part of this story you find significant. I'll tell you what I find most significant. It is the fact that the devotees' attention is drawn to the topic of special powers. That is counter-productive on the path to truth and only impresses the immature. What it is very productive for, however, is establishing and perpetuating a mythology that keeps those immature ones in cultish awe of the leader and as far from truth as possible. Mind you, I am not saying that so called siddhi do not exist. What I am saying is that their existence is real only with respect to the subject who should be the actual target of investigation. Sadly, this get lost to the typical AoL devotee among the tons of mumbo-jumbo.<br /><br />Well, another potentially impressive thing about the story is the amount of that shopping bill, given that only the shortage amounted to $300-$400. :)zhorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224133912427642301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-66574061005583561002010-01-15T14:17:15.499-05:002010-01-15T14:17:15.499-05:00Not only are the sarees designers made and expensi...Not only are the sarees designers made and expensive, but her jewelries are bigger everyday, and her purses also not fake. When someone once noticed her brand-name purses were not imitation, surprised by the incoherency of the action, she was innocently asked if it was real or imitation. Offended, Bhanu replied her stuff was never imitation. Is she aware of the price of those purses and that priding to own one is not advisable? The cost of one can feed at least half a village in Southern India! Not to mention, non-vegan purses - it is not OK to eat them but OK to carry them ... what about the men explotation that occurs in diamond mines to make her bracelets and earrings? Will those people eliminate karmas because they had the luck to dig the diamonds for the sister of the self-claimed enlightened?AoL-Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-56539395966936894242010-01-15T11:24:42.227-05:002010-01-15T11:24:42.227-05:00ROTFL.....nonstop friends for coming up with:-
&...ROTFL.....nonstop friends for coming up with:-<br /><br /> " IIT idiot " &<br /><br />"..she feels good vibrations in rich and affluent places".<br /><br />Thirumoolar says " kurudum kurudum kuruttaattam aadi kuzhi vizhundhavarae ". Meaning a nutcase enlightening a nutcase;))<br /><br />But don't you ever feel sorry for the celebs falling at their feet. They deserve such avatards. False prophets are the decoys for the non earnest.<br /><br />Oh God! Simply savouring this IIT idiot thing:))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-72408298892343957412010-01-15T10:35:32.290-05:002010-01-15T10:35:32.290-05:00Anonymous @ 10.39pm
Sorry to disillusion you but ...Anonymous @ 10.39pm<br /><br />Sorry to disillusion you but what Bhanu wears most of the time are expensive designer stuff - my wife has accompanied her on her sprees once upon a time and she knows for sure they are not ordinary garb.<br /><br />Please tell me which shop I can find those unique designs - I would like to purchase a few for my wife.<br /><br />Please dont blurt if you dont know the facts - we all know all the pro AOLites cannot accept the truth - truth sure does hurt.<br /><br />Get real manKanchipuram Sareenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-65432675687689614122010-01-15T10:00:38.423-05:002010-01-15T10:00:38.423-05:00Ah! Speaking of money i heard this story about SSR...Ah! Speaking of money i heard this story about SSRS from a volunteer. <br /><br />This Bharat bhaiya (now a swami) one more rishi and a swami were at a shopping mall in Singapore with SSRS. Bharat being SSRS's then secretary was holding SSRS's wallet. They finished shoopping and goodies were loaded into the boot and SSRS was seated. Other men went into the mall to pay the bills. lo and behold they were short of cash by some 300-400 dollars. Everyone emptied their pockets but there was nothing. SSRS's wallet was searched thrice over but there was nothing inside. not a dime. SSRS was getting impatient not knowing what kept his men. He tried to walk out of the car but bharat assured him that they were just paying and coming out. At last when the men didn't have any other choice bharat had to walk upto SSRS and gave him the news that goods may have to be returned. SSRS was disbelieving. SSRS said to bharat it is not possible that his wallet could be empty. Bharat silently handed him the empty wallet. SSRS casually asked how much they were short and bharat informed. From the same empty wallet out came the dollers and the bills were paid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-66489435298197666002010-01-15T07:35:14.471-05:002010-01-15T07:35:14.471-05:00Before the whole world start thinking indian media...Before the whole world start thinking indian media is uncritical about godmen. Sri Sri Ravishankar is considered as a conman and criminal in many sections of the indian media. There is a very famous Bollywood movie -Halla Bol which has portrayed a Ravishankar look alike. This swamiji among other socialities watches a murder of a bar maid taking place in a party.Since the murderers are highly powerful politicians they cover up this crime. <br /><br />Watch this you tube video:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNr-pj0oacE&feature=related<br /><br />Watch from 6:40 minutes.<br />For those who cannot understand Hindi.<br /><br />The hero (Bollywood star Ajay Devgan) asks swamiji to help him uncover the truth of the murder as he is an eyewitness. The swamiji replies in characteristic ravishankar style that the whole external world is an illusion and we all need to go within and find solutions from within. <br />To this the hero replies that the swamiji's true colors have come out in the open and Swamiji is an empty shell from his mouth to his asshole. A man of no integrity.Rajatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-88179682202996759502010-01-15T01:46:11.075-05:002010-01-15T01:46:11.075-05:00Klim and company,
"I wonder if he did not fi...Klim and company,<br /><br />"I wonder if he did not find me as cute or was I not as hairy or as submissive or ...? "<br /><br />This kind of sums up the AOL basic prerequisities - Cute, Hairy, Submissive. Added to this are two other spiritually ennobling qualities - Rich and Famous.<br /><br />Regarding IIT and IIM grads,they are deliberately recruited into AOL (and other groups like Kalki, Nityananda, Jaggi,Ammachi, Isckon, Sai Baba). These grads form good advertising fooder for attracting recruits among some sections in India. Especially the middle class indians who hold these institutes in high regard. These IIT/IIM grads are the blue eyed boys and treated quite well in the organization and get placed higher up in the spiritual heirarchy. My AOL teacher who was what I call an 'IIT idiot' used to constantly refer to his hallowed IIT days. It was obvious he was trying to impress us with this association.<br />That said, there too several IIT/IIM grads who are utter failures in business, industry and general life. I know many IITians who are unable to cope up the pressure of the corporate world and try to settle in for less paying and less stressful jobs. AOL and guru cults would be a good place to hide for many of them.Paramahimsanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-57689209103220398312010-01-15T01:03:49.077-05:002010-01-15T01:03:49.077-05:00Klim
I went through all the posts in this blog and...Klim<br />I went through all the posts in this blog and it has given an intresting perspective. I have done the AOL basic course and could sense the hypocrcy of the people at first sight.Its not just me but most people who did this course with me in Mysore have this perception. But some how these views are not so well propogated as compared to AOL's official view. <br />I was involved deeply with another spiritual group -pranic healing. I find the exact enlightsitive behaviour in this group. A senior pranic healing teacher who was initiated by the master chao kok sui avoids most people because of bad vibrations. She cannot go to cinema halls as she finds too much of lower chakra vibrations. She cannot even eat vegetarian food in hotels as she fears the emotions of the cooks have permeated the food. She also gives vibrations to food before eating. One intresting behaviour I found with her is she feels good vibrations in rich and affluent places. I dined with her once in a posh five star palace turned hotel in Mysore and she had no complaints. The place served non vegetarian food along with alcohol. But I guess the good vibrations were too powerful here.Saraswathi Nayaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-16006373930852289462010-01-15T00:09:03.415-05:002010-01-15T00:09:03.415-05:00This multiple repetitive syndrome SSSSSRavishanka...This multiple repetitive syndrome SSSSSRavishankar has many hiiiggggghhhhhly qualified hindutvavadi chartered accountants as his devotess/footsoldiers.<br /><br />Who have expertise in fudging accounts. As it is most indians are cheats & liars.Why would someone's bumpersticker scream:-<br /><br />" Don't Cheat ! Government of India Hates Competetion!!" .<br /><br />All indian politicians are same same. Now I have come to respect Rahul Gandhi & Sonia. At least they nevr call themselves godmenwomen or messiahs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-70292151966878429272010-01-14T23:42:30.347-05:002010-01-14T23:42:30.347-05:00zhoro and anon
the story i heard was like this gov...zhoro and anon<br />the story i heard was like this government had assessed the tax on swami's father's land at Rs.600,000. they could not pay as it was more than the land's price. so they were fighting the case for months. meanwhile swami started working with aol banfalore aashram for free. after 2-3 months one fine afternoon swami was called by SSRS and was given Rs.12,000 to keep. swami refused as he had volunteered to work for free. but he was forced to keep the money. at night swamiji's father called from pune (swami was at bangalore aol aashram) saying their appeal was heard and fresh tax order has been passed. tax liability was exactly Rs.12,000. swami checked the timings of tax assessment proceedings when swami's father was with the government officer.it was approximately the same time when SSRS called swami and gave him the exact sum. pune bangalore distance is at least 400-450 kms.<br />swami mentioned he was a complete atheist. even now he doesnt look like much of a ritualistic religious man to me. when he was a student he appeared for Rudra Pooja without having a bath. He brushed washed his hands and face clean wore fresh cloths and aprreared for Rudra Pooja quietly. Within 10 minutes SSRS packed him off to have a bath saying swami hadnt had bath. having heard this if one take SSRS as a Guru a Master then how can one ask him questions about money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-23813203194724390002010-01-14T23:36:47.114-05:002010-01-14T23:36:47.114-05:00LOL! I still remember cleaning up our teacher'...LOL! I still remember cleaning up our teacher's house a whole day (including toilets!) because another teacher (who knew Guru-care) guided us in this cleaning endeavor (I don't recall her personally cleaning though- only us volunteers!) Well, we did it out of loyalty and love and I do not regret it even now. <br /><br />But there are deeper things I am remorseful about- where the funds go, accountability? I donate to another organization which regularly sends me receipts and updates. I dont see this happening in AOL- I have mentioned this to a senior teacher but got no real answer.<br /><br />Today, Haiti is crying for help. And I hear that there is Rudra puja in the ashram. I'd have thought that the seniors would have rushed to Haiti to see how they could help...not sure of what they are doing? Somehow I can't help but notice...one part of the world is crying for help...if all these pujas of mass frenzy set the energy fields right, why is there death and destruction still? (I must re-read 'Conversations with God' again...)<br /><br />I think AOL is confusing everything from spirituality to social work. They wear one tag or another when it suits them. Sad...sad...sad. If you point a single thing to them, they call u an intellectual jack-ass who can never see enlightenment, leave alone spell it.<br /><br />I recall a phrase from Ashtavakra Gita which Guru-ji, in his younger days, had voiced: Banda mukto bhava.<br /><br />You are free. I am so happy, I am free...now I can really seek God/Unvierse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-21785445398162108152010-01-14T22:39:52.650-05:002010-01-14T22:39:52.650-05:00What bhanu wears are not designer sarees. these ar...What bhanu wears are not designer sarees. these are available in any south indian silk shops. most indian women wear that type of silk sarees. its not expensive its affordable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-44747075946578391732010-01-14T22:27:54.139-05:002010-01-14T22:27:54.139-05:00This reminds me of a story where an indian-america...This reminds me of a story where an indian-american waoman had lovingly cooked some indian delicacy for SSRS. That was not given to him saying she was impure! at the lunch SSRS asked for the same thing and said why its not served to him. sacred his people called that woman next day she not only cooked but served him as well. says a lot about the guru and ppl surrounding him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-91563520686694499362010-01-14T19:50:24.900-05:002010-01-14T19:50:24.900-05:00A guru is supposed to be simple, desireless
and li...A guru is supposed to be simple, desireless<br />and live very austre lives but to the contrary SSRS insists his food be served on pure silver plates,wears beautifully co-ordinated <br />Dhoti jubah sets, dons GUCCI sunshades which he is paranoid of loosing.<br />His herd like devotees find all this very cute.<br /><br />NincompoopsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-73006642505422079302010-01-14T16:33:11.760-05:002010-01-14T16:33:11.760-05:00Talking about tax-exempt funds, I am wondering on ...Talking about tax-exempt funds, I am wondering on what ground the massive expense for the silver jubilee celebrations was justified. What kind of charity work did that represent? What it did represent for sure was a tremendous PR effort.zhorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224133912427642301noreply@blogger.com