tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post3112802852850050627..comments2023-12-23T03:43:38.964-05:00Comments on LEAVING THE ART OF LIVING: Sri Sri ReincarnationsAoL-Freehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-56210264765150545392010-03-24T11:12:58.106-04:002010-03-24T11:12:58.106-04:00Raju, the key in your comment lies in your words &...Raju, the key in your comment lies in your words "limited involvement".AoL-Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-19924786519055153492010-03-24T07:29:17.464-04:002010-03-24T07:29:17.464-04:00I've done the basic course, and is working wit...I've done the basic course, and is working with an MNC. I visited their ashrams a couple of times. During a satsang, some one asked SSRS "Are you Krishna or Siva?" and he answered, "All such interpretations are just from your mind. There is no difference between you and me, both of us are true love with in". From my limited involvement - I don't think what you stated is totally correct.Rajunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-54062979920723853512010-03-18T07:32:08.695-04:002010-03-18T07:32:08.695-04:00Brass Tacks - The AOL Administration
I have been a...Brass Tacks - The AOL Administration<br />I have been an AOL-er for quite sometime now and have noticed much of what you mention. The SSRS biological family control, the large sheeple following, often the usage of inaccurate and misleading data to propagate AOL (30,000 villages,300 Million lives touched, fastest growing NGO, IAHV Cofounded with the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela…).<br />I too have observed the lack of transparency on the $ side. That is disconcerting. It only takes WILL (a simple directive) for us to maintain a clean set of books. I am sure manpower and skill availability is not an issue. After all, most of us who come to the AOL class, come because they are fed up with all the BS and lies we face on a daily basis and we want some peace and a place that is authentic. Hence an initiative such as “lets clean ourselves up” will generate a lot of support and energy from the AOL volunteer base.<br />I notice we have poorly lead and governed regions….this is almost a norm. So, with poor quality of systems and values whats gets hit is sustainability. The Self destruct button has just about been pushed. There has really been no visible change in fiscal policies / practices in last so many years. So what should we do now ? Here is what I see<br /> 1. All the prime players in AOL game (this includes people such as you KLIM, as AOL is still strongly in your awareness) are all essentially in different stages of learning, evolution and state of being. A typical "Work In progress" entity (WIP).<br />2. It is our past and current WIP understanding of GOD and Enlightenment that is causing all discord...for whose resolution we felt we needed a Guru.<br />3. But, all we are doing at this time is battling between ourselves on our definitions of the ultimate and permissible moral / ethical / fiscal / spiritual / sexual preferences and all our ideas regarding perfection.<br />4. George Bush's war against terror only increased the terror spending and effort. Similarly, as far as your BLOG is concerned here are some of my observations….<br />a. It seems to me that fighting against the certain wrong things is what you are currently propagating. And so, It comes off as an anti AOL blog. While I respect the healing you/we all need, this BLOG now belongs to everyone in whose awareness it comes to. Hence there is healing needed for all of them too…. No ?<br />b. Did you not find anything good about AOL ? Please, would you write a little about that ? I see so many unconditional seva warriors at AOL and in their own little ways they are changing the world in small ways. Their belief system serves them at this time. Now, do we/I have a moral/dharmic right to shake that tree ? If so based on what premise? They belong to me ? I belong to them ? Are we truly living those values ? <br />c. Can we not use all this very medium you have (ie The BLOG)...and re-orient it to passionately and strongly STAND "for something"....ie positive advocacy.<br /> i. Clear accountability in AOL policies and fairness in their adoption and deployment<br /> ii. Total fiscal and operational transparency<br /> iii. Completeness in the representation of events and facts (places, names, numbers, dates)<br /> iv. Integrity and Integration <br /> v. All of the above applies to everything (finances, teachings, life style, communications…everything)<br /> As an insider, how Should One respond now ? How may we be guided again ? Which shade of grey is better ?<br /><br />Can this BLOG be a source for the answers we seek individually ?Watchfulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-23739460163957055992010-03-18T07:19:06.260-04:002010-03-18T07:19:06.260-04:00Being Enlightened !!!!
Most AOL-ers think that th...Being Enlightened !!!!<br /><br />Most AOL-ers think that the Cosmos revolves around AOL. Do SK, it fixes everything. Lets look at Enlightenment. I know that I was a willing participant and propogator to the popularly circulating Enlightenment stories….HAND ME DOWNs that happen in all of the AOL courses….guised as Guru Stories. I too interpreted many life events to become new add ons to the hand me downs.<br />The following AOL definition is pretty convenient tool to support a popular belief that SSRS is enlightened.….<br />“Those who are enlightened will not talk about it (Well, the behind the scene meaning is that some of the AOL followers will talk about though….and I wonder…..how did they figure it out ???…..how did the un-enlightened follower figure out his/her Master is enlightened ?.....is this not like every child who thinks of its parent as it’s God….until they grow up and realise otherwise…and that parents are also regular people …they have flaws and constraints………hmmmmm….<br />AND<br />But then, those who talk about it are not “Enlightened”, don't trust them…………(….hmmmmmm…….!!!). Judgement was just passed. Did the Buddha, Mahaveera, Osho….and the many others like them not talk on the subject ? <br />How can anyone of us reading this BLOG know for sure that there is even something called enlightenment ?. Its pure conjecture. If we ask each one to define it.....we will have as many definitions as there are people. I am a little amazed at how dumb I have been and for so long.The larger questions still linger and it swings strongly both ways. While there is much BS and absurdity floating around, equally, some some amazing synchronicity (Grace ?) as well. I have lived it in action......both in the physical presence and away from the physical presence of SSRS….many many times.<br />That’s why to me it really does not matter if SSRS is enlightened or not. How much of good work and seva is happening because of AOL is the question. Why cant I just focus on the goodness ? Is improvement possible ? Yes definitely….. so lets just keep on improving ourselves, individually and collectively. If the environment does not allow us, change the environment. Move on....No ? It is easier to say this when one not hurt as badly as you say you have. <br />With AOL…..in many parts the amount of devotion and seva that I have seen generated, done and delivered is not funny. That energy needs to be protected. That is all of our responsibility. Now comes my million dollar question to you KLIM (in fact to all of us reading this posting)....I am seeking resonance and a belief system that I can subscribe to here…so I can save my mind (Pure AOL terminology this) and something that will keep me more peaceful.<br />What if all of it is true.......? The good, the miracles, the bad, the crazy, the sleazy, the ugly, the love, ......all of it. The point is that everything is present in consciousness right this very moment. AND as they say in Advaita, if there is no two....then SSRS is also my manifestation and a symbol for me….....from which I am expected to learn and evolve. The AOL classes are the vanilla ice cream....its meant for the masses…..a wake up shake up exercise. However, its only up to a point thingie for a true seeker. Its not the end all and a ONE point solution for everything (as is the popular belief). Further to this, you need to be serious about your own truth to continue to evolve and grow ON YOUR OWN. Otherwise we have just moved from one bunch of lies to another.<br />Religion bought a priest between the regular man and God. In spiritual movements we have a Guru who is a go between our regular selves and our enlightened self…..if at all it exists.Watchfulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-58849082102655310822010-03-09T00:45:46.688-05:002010-03-09T00:45:46.688-05:00we are slaves of the west....only because the west...we are slaves of the west....only because the west is superior...ravishankar is just exploiting the ignorant...sudarshana kriya is good just like any other yoga technique...for the lazy it is the best...for the greedy ravishankar is god...for the gullible too he is god...but nobody realises that you dont need a god especially a human god...congrats to the bloggersrinivashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00505075382567848476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-89089689550405141502010-03-08T23:33:30.395-05:002010-03-08T23:33:30.395-05:00I realize this blog is about AOL. But something d...I realize this blog is about AOL. But something doesnt ring true about Nithyananda's wandering all over India during ages 17-24. It seems very deliberately constructed. Anyone know if it is made up? Same question could be asked of Ravi's bio. But this is more public, for the most part.fair_and_balancednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-90194751897149041592010-03-04T16:12:04.077-05:002010-03-04T16:12:04.077-05:00There is so much suffering in the world - spiritua...There is so much suffering in the world - spirituality can be such a force for good. This spiritual knowledge can be such a force for good...Good people donate money, time and effort to these organizations, because they realize that spirituality had the power to uplift the downtrodden and the suffering.<br /><br />But these bastards, use public goodwill to amass personal fortune. If they really care about people, Art of Living foundation should become truly non-profit and start conducting these camps for less than $50. Knowledge is public wealth - it is given to them to help uplift people - not for them to preach how awesome they are, or to amass wealth.<br /><br />Though Ramdev is an ass, I have much more respect for him than Sri Sri. He really has brought yoga to the masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-74053617257924994152010-03-04T14:29:02.309-05:002010-03-04T14:29:02.309-05:00Propaganda: The ability to convince people who are...Propaganda: The ability to convince people who are victimized by the system, to support the system and see it as a good.<br /><br />Too bad there are no laws against this. It is more dangerous than land scams.The Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-15535036142160887242010-03-04T10:00:43.941-05:002010-03-04T10:00:43.941-05:00On Nithyananda's scandal, SSRS has commented &...On Nithyananda's scandal, SSRS has commented 'People should live the values. Otherwise such things will only happen. So only people should have faith in spiritual tradition'.Laxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-31349174470346374702010-03-04T04:48:13.480-05:002010-03-04T04:48:13.480-05:00Look at this. Ravi Ravi visiting Nithayananda'...Look at this. Ravi Ravi visiting Nithayananda's brothel ashram. <br /><br />http://www.dhyanapeetam.org/web/RavishankarVisit_Aug2009.asp<br /><br />Wonder what they were talking. I think they were exchanging notes of their tantric bonking with the film stars.Vishalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-7641490673840205072010-03-04T04:14:35.979-05:002010-03-04T04:14:35.979-05:00Read this blog yesterday in Bangalore Press Club a...Read this blog yesterday in Bangalore Press Club along with other fellow journalist friends. Great Job. I know some journos in Bangalore who have a huge list of material against the fraudulent activities of Ravishankar. Land grabbing and money laundering tops the list. Ravi used high influence to settle a case in court against a serious case of land encroachment where he had almost gobbled up a whole village. Journos are waiting for the right and opportune moment to strike. The top bosses in some media houses are protecting Ravishankar and some have fianancial intrests. But you never know when the power structure tilts. Opinions and PR can change overnight. <br />Nithyananda was caught in the sex tape and the same people who used to lick his feet a day before are now burning the Ashram.. Land grabbing and money laundering are far more serious than the sexploits of a Guru. After all it is sex between consenting adults. No crime under law. But Indian crowds are unthinking and emotional and there is no way for Nithya or his PR to stop the tide now. He and his followers are doomed. But what is distressing is that nobody in the mainstream media gave second thoughts about Nithya's fraud till he was caught fucking on screen. Now they are trying to dig into his land scams and other financial irregularities. It was only intenet blogs like these which highlighted it before. <br />Same with Ravishankar. Except for some media houses not many have probed the fraud. They haven't questioned where the money comes and escapes. How Ravi has hedged his funds and how the corrupt instituions he has created operate. With Nithya's fall Ravi will cover up his romping with the boys and he would be extra careful with high security surveillance in the ashram and around. The queen bee should be protected for this fraud organization to thrive and there are many lives and careers at stake if it falls. <br />It is the duty of right thinking people to bring any thing they have against these criminals to light. I hope more people like you come out and bring awareness on the mechanism of how these groups operate. This awareness building would not go waste. I think it is already working. The gurus and their loudmouthed fanatic disciples have gone into their shell and open it only to mouth some plagiarized spiritual platititudes. I am cocksure sure none of these scoundrels will dare file any defamation case agianst a blog like this which hits at their very foundation. They would love to, but cannot. If they do they are doomed. Their approach now is to feign gnorance and indifference to all contra views. But there is a tipping point after which the scales will tilt. It was the sex tape of Nithya. What would it be in case of Ravishankar is what we need to wait and see.Poornanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-50622442697956177172010-03-03T14:20:54.501-05:002010-03-03T14:20:54.501-05:00And so the heroes fall one after another... Well, ...And so the heroes fall one after another... Well, I’m glad Nithyananda is now thoroughly exposed. There was a time when I watched lots of his talks and actually took a lot of the stuff he said seriously, though I could see he was obviously running high on his own narcissism & chasing after money & property even worse than Ravi. Thing is one tends to give these guys the benefit of doubt because they speak with such self-assurance and eloquence. You want to believe the words even though you see right before your eyes the contradiction of this guy talking renunication & spiritual practice, all the while having conceitedly seated himself on some golden throne. When the Nithya guys started exposing all the lies in his whole sannyasin life story, I realised I’ve been fooled yet again - having believed his Himalayan tales, etc. blah blah blah... I guess after about ten times of being fooled, one starts catching the drift and learn to see the telltale signs instantly.Art of Leavinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771406007192517830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-15904104757393251742010-03-03T12:43:39.601-05:002010-03-03T12:43:39.601-05:00Buzzi
I have attended many of Babajis Shivirs, nev...Buzzi<br />I have attended many of Babajis Shivirs, never once has he claimed to be reincarnation of any God.When people praise him, he attributes it to Shiva. He has only mentioned Krishna once in the context of Bhagavadgita. How can he claim to be an avatar of Krishna when he is a true and true Shiva bhakta.<br /><br />Unlike our showy Sri Sri, there are no crowds around him, no clamouring for photographs, no garlanding etc. I am not defending any swamijis, but from what I have observed Babaji is so humble and very knowledgable - he gives crisp and clear answers unlike our Sri Sri who either evades the questions or giggles them away - looking coy and cute and his dumb devotees swooning over his stupidity.Sanwaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-36707927943716504562010-03-03T08:20:21.058-05:002010-03-03T08:20:21.058-05:00@Dude:
As you can see RS's expression of his d...@Dude:<br />As you can see RS's expression of his divinity and esoteric knowledge is not benign - it is manipulative.<br /><br />Yes! I think if I had to pick one characteristic to describe RS and cult leaders, it would be "manipulative". I heard a woman telling RS that she was upset about the fanaticism around him regarding his guru status and he told her she was living in fear. What? So, it's her problem? I hope she realized that he was manipulating her and that fear can be healthy. I say, go ahead and be afraid of RS and any manipulative person. <br /><br />Manipulation is one of the ugliest characteristics because it sneaks up silently from behind. At least if someone yells at me or punches me, I can see it coming. (not that I think that is a good thing to do either). Manipulation is extremely violent in a silent, dark, and confusing way. Like, huh, what just happened? <br /><br />@Art of Leaving:<br />"It is very reassuring to think that one’s Master has been around before and that you have been his follower in previous lives"<br /><br />Oh yes. People just want to feel good in life. There's the idea in yoga of being at ease with both things we love and things we resist/dislike. Much of the time, I think humans just want the things that feel good. That's why some of us make up stories that help us feel good. But, it's delusional because as Klim writes "so much for living in the present moment" which would seem to take one further away from Truth and Yoga.jivaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-31354132070387596012010-03-03T07:43:12.432-05:002010-03-03T07:43:12.432-05:00I see you are very attached to this person, you kn...I see you are very attached to this person, you know everything about him. <br />I wonder why you feel the need to discuss everything he does to shreds. This energy could be so channelised elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-80839392033898881612010-03-03T06:47:39.778-05:002010-03-03T06:47:39.778-05:00Nithyananda scandal video is in youtube http://www...Nithyananda scandal video is in youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/gauthamcool#p/u/1/UIqOLIxCBPY <br />Very explicit between after 6.30<br />OMG<br /><br />Life bliss foundation seems to have more realestate than AOL loking at their Indian and USA properties in their website;<br /><br />Considering is nithy is only 32 imagine what has been built and may be risky to maintain this following this breakout.<br /><br />My sincere request to AOL teachers and Ashram/Center staff - Please get out of your positions if you can not maintain moral/ethical standards,as lot of people trust in you as equally as in guruji himself.<br /><br />Lot of blogs and comments already quoting examples as to which org could be next and with no surprise unfortunately AOLs name comes up among others, so it is as serious as it can get right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-13732851009060634192010-03-03T04:56:33.547-05:002010-03-03T04:56:33.547-05:00Now that Nithyanada is exposed with his dhoti down...Now that Nithyanada is exposed with his dhoti down on TV. Gurus like Ravishankar will be extra cautious about sting cameras.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-52210434408811594432010-03-02T23:12:20.506-05:002010-03-02T23:12:20.506-05:00Forget Silver Jubiliee and 2.5 million peoples att...Forget Silver Jubiliee and 2.5 million peoples attendance.<br />They are planning for a bigger event within few years. The teachers have started advertising this in basic courses and with volunteers. The next event target is 10 million peoples. <br />On what occassion? who cares?<br />One world family......is it mean-<br />One family wants to rule the world?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-56244862846050744482010-03-02T22:35:56.194-05:002010-03-02T22:35:56.194-05:00Are you peaceful with your confessions now?
:-)Are you peaceful with your confessions now?<br /><br />:-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-57174693581011821812010-03-02T21:59:13.485-05:002010-03-02T21:59:13.485-05:00Long time back, when people were being asked to co...Long time back, when people were being asked to come for silver jubilee - a story of a minnesota couple who visited him in December, and expressed their inability to come to SJ due to lack of finances.<br />RS spun a tale of how SJ was going to change the world forever, and how thousands of gods and goddesses would be there to bestow blessings.<br /><br />In AOL such miracle mongering is used to manipulate devotees. This is one instance, of something that is very routine. As you can see RS's expression of his divinity and esoteric knowledge is not benign - it is manipulative. I would go as far as to say that RS's reason for doing what he does are rooted in this delusion. Vasudheva Kutumbakam and all the other nice things he says are just sales gimmicks to fool unsuspecting people.The Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-67308470317828243122010-03-02T17:39:15.464-05:002010-03-02T17:39:15.464-05:00I'm just reminded of how the chinese governmen...I'm just reminded of how the chinese government had banned the Dalai Lama from reincarnating few years back ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-91500262106136353002010-03-02T16:47:20.406-05:002010-03-02T16:47:20.406-05:00@Art of Living
The way you put it...given the nat...@Art of Living<br /><br />The way you put it...given the nature of the teacher student relationship, it is not benign. It is manipulative and dastardly on his part to let these stupid spread. He indeed does not deserve the poetic license.Peaceful Warriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-6298395763279471072010-03-02T11:30:38.494-05:002010-03-02T11:30:38.494-05:00today is great day two main fake gurus were expose...today is great day two main fake gurus were exposed my media the first is nithyanada with an actress in bed room was posted in sun tv news and next is kalki bagavan seen in tv9...cheers more to followAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-54276535797646610252010-03-02T11:30:38.493-05:002010-03-02T11:30:38.493-05:00today is great day two main fake gurus were expose...today is great day two main fake gurus were exposed my media the first is nithyanada with an actress in bed room was posted in sun tv news and next is kalki bagavan seen in tv9...cheers more to followAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-53326949333963145082010-03-02T08:32:22.750-05:002010-03-02T08:32:22.750-05:00In the Bangalore ashram, one of the boys working i...In the Bangalore ashram, one of the boys working in Publications told me that when Guruji looks into one’s eyes He sees your karma seven lakh births into the past and the future. I assume the boy said “lakh” – at the time I was still unfamiliar with Indian numerical terms, but it sounded something like that. Anyway, whether it was 7 or 700 000 births, the implication was that Ravi knew one’s destiny (past and future) intimately. <br /><br />I was a little disappointed because I had hoped that he knew absolutely everything without any sort of limitation in terms of lakhs or whatever. And I certainly didn’t expect he first needed to look physically into one’s eyes before knowing stuff. I thought he knew everything about everybody anyway. But luckily he had looked into my eyes many times by then, so I was at least reassured to the point of him knowing 7 lakh (whatever the word meant!) of my past and future births. I was just concerned that it seemed to imply there are more births to come, and that this might not be the final one for me. I really thought he’d liberate me this life, and now here seemed to be the possibility of yet more lives...Art of Leavinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771406007192517830noreply@blogger.com