tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post1414439626423576799..comments2023-12-23T03:43:38.964-05:00Comments on LEAVING THE ART OF LIVING: The rewards of AOLAoL-Freehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266984166472037468noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-22711090554200299282010-05-13T10:06:36.231-04:002010-05-13T10:06:36.231-04:00Zhoro, haha! I am remembering the story of the NYC...Zhoro, haha! I am remembering the story of the NYC angel myself and how he approached RS, as he always said, even the trees, even all angels feel compelled towards him. Hilarious. And he still does not think he suffers of some degree of megolomania. Ah of course, there is a difference between that and being god reincarnate. We must not be able to see!Voilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-31353894187958713622010-05-10T16:19:09.438-04:002010-05-10T16:19:09.438-04:00Ever heard of the straw-man argument ?
Bashing yo...Ever heard of the straw-man argument ?<br /><br />Bashing yourdad is not the way to go. Like it or not, we have to patiently reply to his arguments, instead of attacking him. Otherwise we will just be acting like RS, republican party etc.<br /><br />People hitting on each other is not just an AOL thing. Teenagers will be teenagers. If RS tries to rein in their behavior, he is controlling, if he does not then he is ignoring things. Anywaym what's your problem if two people are flirting ? Are you moral police or something ?<br /><br />By raising such trivial issues, you seem to be diluting the more serious points raised by this blog. Lets stick to those shall we.Peaceful Warriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-11132704472738196022010-05-10T06:31:39.013-04:002010-05-10T06:31:39.013-04:00@yourdad
My problem with AOL is I was taken for a ...@yourdad<br />My problem with AOL is I was taken for a ride by their hypocracy. They lied to me about the so called 4000 villages adoption in India. I had a geniuine inclination towards social service and AOL exploited that to further their money making agenda and made us do photo ops in the name of social service. We collected donations for natural calamities and it went into the pockets of the top mafiasos in the organization. I have seen the money and operational side of AOL deep enough and that is what made me and may others leave. It is to put in plain terms a fraud organization quite similar to Nithyananda and Kaliki bagwan. I am thankful for the blog owner and other contributors who have the guts to say that the emperor wears no clothes. <br />For those like you who live and benefit by this fraud you can describe the fascinating colours, texture and grandiosity of Ravi Ravi's clothes. But for those of us who know he is exposed.Vinayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-34851218274930835082010-05-08T14:49:50.570-04:002010-05-08T14:49:50.570-04:00tell me kind sir, why, every time I go to these &q...tell me kind sir, why, every time I go to these "satsangs" AoL has, I see people trying to hit on each other<br /><br />What point are you trying to make son? Are u telling me that you have visited all the AOL satsangs on this planet in 140 countries and you founds guys hitting on girls? Are you just generalizing? <br /><br />You guys just don't have any valid points and hence putting out silly stories.Dont you see that you are not making any point?<br /><br />Some of you were hurt and hence you left AOl, while others like Zhoro had idealistic concerns which AOL no longer addresses(Zhoro : how can you talk about this. You have betrayed the trust and faith of all those who took TTC with you. You shared things which you were not supposed to. If you really had problems with AOL with regards to its money, you would have given some solid evidence instead of pointing fingers and make accusations) and then some of you get healing by abusing a Guru. <br /><br />Do you realized that you guys are the ones who are actually abusing faith and devotion of hundreds and thousand of other people who respect and consider SSRS as their Guru? You guys write any nonsense stuff...like the sad frustrated princess says "AOL is a sad group". I think you guys are sad. You have left AOL many years ago, and still you like gossiping about it, badmouthing it under the pretext that you are saving others? Shame on you guys! Just search for Art of Living on Facebook and you will see so many groups with joyful smiling people everywhere!<br /><br />Hari: ya son . I am a big shot in AOL PR trying to do whatever you think. You can put out all your other theories so that I can have a nice laugh.yourdadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-77971220193734989302010-05-08T13:23:45.901-04:002010-05-08T13:23:45.901-04:00Just quick note that I've been too busy in the...Just quick note that I've been too busy in the last couple of days to reply to the latest posts in the comments. Will do so on Monday.zhorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224133912427642301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-22658493702515307232010-05-08T12:27:14.733-04:002010-05-08T12:27:14.733-04:00I also wondered if the AoL PR strategy had changed...I also wondered if the AoL PR strategy had changed to infiltrate this blog. The blog tone definitely seems to have changed with the emergence of more pro-AoL people. <br /><br />It's mostly succeeding in keeping me even further away from AoL.jivaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-23698491978905408502010-05-08T07:20:12.199-04:002010-05-08T07:20:12.199-04:00Dr Quentin Jones said...
"Noticed that the c...Dr Quentin Jones said...<br /><br />"Noticed that the counter blog is dead and all the followers have bolted".<br /><br />I guess, It’s not difficult to understand why the counter blog has died down, considering the huge PR disaster it was.<br /><br />Also the sudden Pro-AOL characters (Dad & family ) that have emerged since last 3 weeks make me feel that AOL has changed its strategy with the counter blog. <br /><br />Why not unleash the AOL PR team onto the comments and posts of this blog. It will be much simpler, more effective, isn't it? There are no conventions to follow, no tone to be set, no respect to be shown, and most of all their comments will not be treated as an official AOL or SSRS Communiqué.<br /><br />But still I would want these guys contributing rather than blocking them as Chris has suggested, will help to understand the AOL point of view as well(even though still fact less till now).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14855702768401092208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-48026728105437564792010-05-07T17:58:43.302-04:002010-05-07T17:58:43.302-04:00Some of you like Zhoro think that there are true g...Some of you like Zhoro think that there are true gurus and we should get their help etc while some like princess think that you don't need guru and guru means loss of freedom.<br /><br />I wonder how come ex teachers have such different takes?yourdad's dadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-62780622564580012932010-05-07T16:14:49.710-04:002010-05-07T16:14:49.710-04:00Where do I go from here?
I am completely turned ...Where do I go from here? <br /><br />I am completely turned off by Art of Living, and I can't believe that I ignored the warning signs that were always there, and I instead got sucked into the herd mentality.<br /><br />But, what next? Is there any help for the spiritual seeker, without associating with a large organized spiritual business such as AOL? I do like to meditate, but cannot make myself to do sahaj as the reverence is gone.<br /><br />PLEASE HELP!<br /><br />I have been browsing http://itisnotreal.com/subpage19.htmlSpirituallyConfusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-2339474661176846182010-05-07T16:01:00.120-04:002010-05-07T16:01:00.120-04:00@skywalker
To be just - I guess Prairie Princess ...@skywalker<br /><br />To be just - I guess Prairie Princess is more hot than yourdad. <br /><br />It is ok to share your observations, pointless babble won't add any value to this blog. Probably time for everyone to cool down a bitNeutral Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-3178680687023213252010-05-07T14:41:58.319-04:002010-05-07T14:41:58.319-04:00@skywalker who is abusing who? lol #rtofl - and yo...@skywalker who is abusing who? lol #rtofl - and you guys are healing yourself by abusing SSRS!!. Jokes all aroundAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-26180851083432688522010-05-07T13:25:55.710-04:002010-05-07T13:25:55.710-04:00Guys, who's this "yourdad" character...Guys, who's this "yourdad" character? Comes across as bein a bit too out of balance for someone who's been trained by the great dude/elephant/candy of a million eyes! Why not just block all his comments? I mean, it could easily be that many angry readers could start resorting to profanity and such, seein his comments.<br />@yourdad: tell me kind sir, why, every time I go to these "satsangs" AoL has, I see people trying to hit on each other, dudes trying to hug dudettes whom they're meeting the first time, just coz they look hot? Why does my friend, who happens to be a great disciple of "the dude" act lewd in these so called places of inspiration? What's more, your great dude doesn't seem to be bothered by such stuff even in big gatherings...one would expect the air to be full of purity. The way I see it, it's becomin like a facebook for the spiritually inclined. Nuthin wrong with that, but when things like cheating people, abusing them, manipulating them and blaming the victims come in, questions naturally rise! As for your thing about "four people", I have to say, that's all it takes. Four people. If you know things about the internet, go look at how many hits this blog gets in a day. There's rumors already that Nithy's news is stale, so the media is targeting AoL. Ahem, ahem....well, I don't know much coz I'm just a "low prana" dude hangin around :PChris Williamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-28390312018568622872010-05-07T10:51:13.711-04:002010-05-07T10:51:13.711-04:00@yourdad, what kinda' moonshine are you and Do...@yourdad, what kinda' moonshine are you and Dollar Ravi imbibing these days? It's easy to quote Ramana Maharshi and kinda seek shelter in his philosophy, but try practising it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-87946927544219358392010-05-07T10:15:39.174-04:002010-05-07T10:15:39.174-04:00@ yourdad: I am moderating the blog at the moment,...@ yourdad: I am moderating the blog at the moment, while klim is on a well deserved break. whereas I value freedom of speech and constructive debate, still I kindly ask you to cool down a bit. Some of us actually feel abused. This is our experience. You come across as very blunt and insensitive in your comments, trying as you do to negate our experience. <br />Please, yourdad... although you are welcome to read and comment, bear in mind that this blog is not for you. It has been said countless times, by many people posting here. Yes, it is a place of healing, Klim and I can confirm that. If you feel fine, fine. If ever that secret doubt about the guru should arise in you, and you contribute it to more than just lack of prana, then come back and read some of our stories. You will not be alone then, as many of us were.<br /><br />a·buse<br />–verb (used with object)<br />1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority.<br />2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight.<br />3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign.<br />4. to commit sexual assault upon.<br />5. Obsolete . to deceive or mislead.<br />–noun<br />6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges.<br />7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men.<br />8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse.<br />9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime.<br />10. rape or sexual assault.<br />11. Obsolete . deception.Skywalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05212714180138920373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-41110613548441839102010-05-07T08:06:04.750-04:002010-05-07T08:06:04.750-04:00Noticed that the counter blog is dead and all the ...Noticed that the counter blog is dead and all the followers have bolted.<br /><br />Guess the strategy didnt work, piled on more than they expected.<br /><br />Keep this blog going Klim, be that grandson in the famous parable and make that difference.<br /><br />Good Luck - you will need loads of that.Dr Quentin Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-79502069324532531322010-05-07T06:07:40.160-04:002010-05-07T06:07:40.160-04:00@Prairie Princess : We have heard enough of your c...@Prairie Princess : We have heard enough of your crying on this blog. Who abused you? Do you even understand what the word abuse means?<br /><br />Nowhere does this blog claim (look at the disclaimer) that it is a place for healing. This is a place for sharing and the blog owner has been generous enough to pass comments which do not agree with the blog. You cant be healed by this blog anyways, you need a good psychiatrist.<br /><br />You can see god in your dog. Good for you! But many others cant do that? What about them?<br /><br />True freedom does not involve worshipping a guru? Who told you that? Do you even know what a guru is? You have the power of your keyboard, doesn't mean that you can type any enlightening non-sense.yourdadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-7952489015228478602010-05-06T15:41:06.735-04:002010-05-06T15:41:06.735-04:00AoL is a sad little group, full of delusions. Some...AoL is a sad little group, full of delusions. Some of us experience the divine in places than ravi ravi. Had there been something like this blog when I took my part 1, I never would have bothered with this group.<br />Gurus are not necessary in the 21st century. There is a wealth of spiritual information available. Why go to a con man pretending to be god? Why not just go straight to god? Yourdad, this blog is about people healing from psychological abuse and dissonance that they experienced in AoL. Please find something else to do if you cannot contribute to the healing process. Please remember..true freedom does not involve worshiping a guru. I see god when I look at my dog as well as others. Perhaps my dog should start a movement and support me as ravi has supported his extended family. KLIM & CO,keep up the good work. You are the ones doing god's work.Prairie Princesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16479235135397373549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-51382531814752152782010-05-06T14:10:40.575-04:002010-05-06T14:10:40.575-04:00@ Zhoro
Your problem is that you have too much an...@ Zhoro<br /><br />Your problem is that you have too much anger and my problem is that I have too much time and compassion for you. I find it difficult to move on and let you be what you are.<br /><br />Go to secure artofliving and see so many courses happening all over the country! Those who are going to be in this path , will be in this path. No blog can stop them.<br /><br />Who told you that there are action committees? Who told you that AOL is bothered? These blogs? That would be funny. By thinking this you are just making yourself feel important!yourdadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-24865162961355961712010-05-06T12:25:18.706-04:002010-05-06T12:25:18.706-04:00You claim you are trying to stop others from getti...You claim you are trying to stop others from getting involved with AOL. No you're not. You're trying to resolve your own conflicts. Let innocent people be and let them decide for themselves. We pro and con idiots will just argue with each other, okay? ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-51236325873775820642010-05-06T12:20:35.894-04:002010-05-06T12:20:35.894-04:00The core of the problem that all you ex-AOL teache...The core of the problem that all you ex-AOL teachers have is that you never experienced the Divine through Guruji. I could be wrong and please correct me if I am. But, because of this you had a concept of Divinity rather than its actual experience. Once you experience Guruji as the Divine, it puts everything in a different context. Until you have this experience, you have to go on faith, and faith can only last for so long. Like the teacher who decided that he no longer "believed" in the divinity of Guruji. Of course beliefs come and go. So his faith, over time, left him. Hopefully though, faith is replaced by direct experience rather than faith in something else! I didn't experience this Divinity until after two years. Then, the whole thing opened up and it changed everything. I'm not encouraging anyone to then surpress feelings of conflict or deny what you might perceive as unethical. Address that; confront that and do not let up till your conflict is resolved. I think you all quit after the first couple of wind sprints, so to speak!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-30198958874265803972010-05-06T11:48:50.609-04:002010-05-06T11:48:50.609-04:00yourdad - go sell more courses and don't waste...yourdad - go sell more courses and don't waste your time with your silly stories. Your silly stories may just be doing more damage to AOL than damage control.Krishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-36176370530569205122010-05-06T10:38:08.709-04:002010-05-06T10:38:08.709-04:00yourdad: thanks for agreeing with sri sri is that ...yourdad: thanks for agreeing with sri sri is that girl who is a cheater running from one to other (is that for money and power?); what you don't understand is they are not writing this blog to get back to that cheater instead they are doing a favor so that no more innocent victims enlist to this cheater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-16334115332970542062010-05-06T09:07:05.895-04:002010-05-06T09:07:05.895-04:00@ yourdad @ 6:43 am:
:)))) That seat-of-the-pants...@ yourdad @ 6:43 am:<br /><br />:)))) That seat-of-the-pants wisdom is not as one-directional as you'd like. The elephant seems to be bothered by these so called dogs, after all. It's not like he's kept his royal airs passing through this village. There have been meetings, there have been action committees, counter-blogs have been started. :))) Why is the elephant bothered? After all, what can these little dogs do to harm his course? Or is it that they are "barking" about things that the elephant would rather not be known to the villagers?<br /><br />You say we are wasting YOUR time? What? You have given us so much power, really? Why are you here, yourdad? You'd rather not have to deal with damage control, I understand. So why don't you close your eyes to alternative points of view, AoL style, and not waste your time? <br /><br />I know you are eager for us to "move on" and leave the AoL behemoth unchallenged. Maybe you are right and we won't change much. But let me refer you to one of AoL's favorite parables about the boy and the stranded starfish on the beach. Even if this blog makes a difference to a few people and helps them avoid some traps, it will be worth it. Even if the AoL elephant tramples many more. <br /><br />Now you move on and don't waste your time here.zhorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224133912427642301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-72323720657922117102010-05-06T06:43:31.717-04:002010-05-06T06:43:31.717-04:00I have a story to tell. I had a friend in college,...I have a story to tell. I had a friend in college, and he was so much in love with this girl. His relationship continued for many years. After few years , he started realizing that his girl was not that good, had some problems. He wanted her to change , but she refused. Now this guy , although he liked her, didn't like the fact that this girl was changing (or appeared to have changed). He was annoyed by the fact this his girlfriend wouldn't change but he still loved her. One day he got really really angry and then called of his relationship.<br /><br />Now he was lonely and started missing his girl. Few days later he found out, that his girl had some ex-boyfriends which he didn't knew earlier. He communicated with them, and they realized that they were also hurt. Suddenly he realized that he was not the only one who is hurt. Misery loves company, so he started hanging out with these ex-boyfriends. Together they would complain and badmouth this girl.<br /><br />When I heard this I told him: Dude you need to move on. You feel in love with this girl, you enjoyed her. She didnt invite you to fall in love? You were the one who was attracted. So if she appears to have changed now, and that you dont like her. You just need to move on. There is not point in thinking and complaining about her and bad mouthing her.<br /><br />I think Zhoro and his friends are in the same boat and would tell you the same thing. You were the once who fell in love with AOL. Everything about it was so good! And you enjoyed it! That's why you stayed with it for years together! Now you want AOL to change because it doesn't match 'your' idealistic concerns. And it wont. You don't realize the fact , that many many people want AOL just the way it is. They want a guru and they love Sri Sri. They don't want anything to change. They know that AOL has some issues, but they are ok with it as they can see that its doing so much more good than any harm.<br /><br />So I guess if you dont like it, the way it is, you should just move on. Stop writing this blog. You think you are helping a great cause by exposing AOL etc ,thinking that would be silly. You know how many teachers AOL has and how far and wide it has spread. Three or four of you cant do anything. When an elephant walks in the town, dogs start barking. Elephant doesn't care. You don't want to be these barking creatures. You would just be wasting your time (and the time of people like me) and hurting some others who are really committed to AOL. So just move on. Stop this blog and get on with your life. Take these words seriously, as these are coming from yourdad.yorudadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3564480661548850441.post-38781254848279663842010-05-06T05:42:01.473-04:002010-05-06T05:42:01.473-04:00"The talks are from the old days. The organiz..."The talks are from the old days. The organization was new then, the knowledge and sri sri were pure."<br /><br />Old days meaning when. When Ravi Ravi was a baby. I had been in AOL from 1990 - 1995 and I found it to be the corrupt organization with a corrupt guru. The markings of all the false stories, propoganda, hype was very much there. Except that Ravi Ravi was not that popular then. My friend a trader in telephony equipment who set up some instruments in ashram in 1991 was cheated of his legitimate bills and was emotionally blackmailed by Ravishankar and one of his ashram administrator. I don't buy this innocene corrupted story at all as I know factual things aboyt Ravi Ravi and his corrupt means.Nageshnoreply@blogger.com